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Parents Hide Baby’s Gender From The World

I’m going to try to tread lightly on this one, but I will disclose for you up front that I’m mostly stuck in a what-the-fuck?! frame of reference at this point. In other words, prepare to watch me talk myself into circles of YEAH! But, well, I mean, yeah…that, too. AND, GOD, I DON’T KNOW. You see, a couple in Canada gave birth to their third child on New Year’s Day. (AWW!) This, in itself, is not significant. The news, you see, is that, aside from the mother, father, the midwives, one friend, and the baby’s two older brothers, no one knows if the young baby is a boy or a girl. And the parents plan to keep things this way for as long as possible. On purpose.

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AHMAHGAH HE’S SO CUTE! I mean…ahem, it IS a boy, right?

Big deal, right?

Welllll…I dunno. Let’s get a little back story going here.

storm baby no gender 3 Parents Hide Babys Gender From The WorldI’m sure you can guess the political ideology behind the parents’ decision to do this. Mom, Kathy Witterick, and Dad, David Stocker, have already been raising their older sons (Jazz, 5, and Kio, 2) to “challenge how they’re expected to look and act based on their sex.” The young boys have had the luxury of choosing when to cut their hair and what clothes they’d like to wear. Each have been shopping from both the girls and boys department since age one and a half.  Jazz has taken to admire fashion and colors that are traditionally associated with girls. Because of this, he’s often referred to as a girl by strangers. Witterick explains that, when this happens–say at the park or something–she doesn’t correct the person. Instead, she lets her son speak up if he decides it’s bothersome.

But this is where I see how this can get…well, kind of sticky.

The boy is five. What if he’s too shy? What if someone calls him a girl, and he doesn’t like it, but he’s too embarrassed to speak up? I’ve got a nearly-five year-old and dude still clings to my legs on occasion if someone looks at him funny. That’s why five year-olds have moms, right? TO BUFFER. Well, when the family recently applied to a local nature center, Jazz asked his mother to mark his gender; he wanted the people to know he’s a boy. He wanted his mom to buffer. About a year prior, when they were looking into the option of public or private schooling, Jazz’s appearance was often the topic of conversation, and it was something that bothered the young boy. Witterick states that this is the main reason he is homeschooled. (Err, UNschooled, actually, but that’s an entirely different conversation).

THIS BOTHERS ME. I mean, I realize it’s kind of a circle of logic that has no “right” answer, but…OK. So, let’s say they’ve raised their son to be gender-neutral. I don’t have a problem with this. At all. The kid’s fucking FIVE, and I’m sure it’s a heck of a lot of fun. But, at the same time, the kid is fucking FIVE, and this very lifestyle has sentenced him (yes, sentenced) to an isolated existence, and one that is asking him to grow up very fast. All I’m saying is that I feel like he should have the option to either join society and compromise some of his non-traditional lifestyle choices, or to remain isolated from it in his home with just his parents.  But, is there really an option here? If Jazz himself is being given that enormous responsibility–the task of making that decision–then I don’t see one. Because, REALLY. Should this baby–c’mon, five is still KINDA baby–be making such tough life choices at this age.? I don’t think he should have to. And even if he doesn’t realize that he is, those decisions are being made.

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Jazz, 5, and his younger sibling, Storm

And that’s where most of the criticism lies. Friends of the family argued that the parents were forcing their political and ideological values on their young children. Which, um, YEAH. (But at the same time, don’t ALL of us do that in some fashion? This one is just more…intense. Or obvious. Or, something.) They also point out that the children are being set up for ridicule and bullying “in a world that can be so cruel to outsiders.” Again, well, yeah. (Grandma and Grandpa, on the other hand, are probably just annoyed as hell that they weren’t placed in the Circle of Trust. Because, no. They don’t know either.) Storm’s Mom and Dad say that, in getting to know someone, you don’t typically ask the person what’s between his or her legs. That the personality is what’s important. Well, YEAH, but that’s because you can usually discern the gender with simple observation. I suppose I’m of the mindset that gender is actually a part of your identity, guys. It’s part of your biology. I don’t think it should be taken out of the mix in the name of social experimentation. CALL ME CRAZY. Witterick and Stocker would, evidently, disagree.

storm baby no gender 4 Parents Hide Babys Gender From The WorldMy question is, how do we make that decision FOR our children? How do we say that this idea–this concept–is so important, that it’s worth the uphill climb? A climb that the CHILDREN themselves will have to make? I mean, it very well may BE worth it…but, my GOD, to take that risk? I’m too fucking paranoid & anxious to ever throw my child out on such a limb. (I will, however, let them watch Spongebob Squarepants on occasion, so maybe don’t take any of my advice.)

But back to Storm, the genderless baby. Learning from their first two children, Witterick and Stocker hoped that removing the gender label altogether would help to prevent some of society’s imposed gender-specific messages and give the child the freedom of choosing who he or she would like to be. In other words, in seeing some of Jazz’s struggles, they were hoping to make things EASIER for their third child. Says mom:

“What we noticed is that parents make so many choices for their children. It’s obnoxious…We thought that if we delayed sharing [Storm's gender], in this case hopefully, we might knock off a couple million of those messages by the time Storm decides Storm would like to share.”

Is it me, or does it feel like the opposite is happening? That they’re making it harder for Storm? Because, in this case, it seems like “those messages” are being replaced by The Inquisition. (Take, for example, this very post and all it’s accompanying photographs.) In fact, as Witterick is being interviewed for this story, a neighbor waves from her porch and asks the weekly question:

“So, it’s a boy, right?”

Witterick more or less ignores the question and comments on the weather. I assumes she also calls the neighbor an ignorant prick with her mind-powers, but whatever.

Later, when she’s asked when the secret will end, her response is again a deflection: “Yeah, when will this end? When will we live in a world where people can make choices to be whoever they are?”

Don’t we have that already? As I see it, there will be struggles with identity either way. If we resist gender norms, we struggle with the backlash of being an outcast. If we embrace them, we struggle with the restrictions that come with traditional labels. Are we really a world obsessed with gender, as they seem to believe? Are we just a bunch of simpletons that need a quick game of switcheroo?

 Parents Hide Babys Gender From The WorldA California psychologist, and author of Gender Born, Gender Made, has concerns as well. The very act of removing the “he” or “she” adds an identity issue in itself. Storm will be unable to fully grasp or create his or her own point-of-view if there is no frame of reference. And, of course, we should remember that the parents are not hiding the child’s gender from Storm; just the rest of the world. So, sure–this reference may very well be established at home. However, to then be denying it in public–or, at the very least ignoring it–surely sends a mixed message. The whole situation seems like it could be adding shame to the mix.

It’s almost as if the parents have created a bubble in their home, in which these children live. It seems loving and nurturing and supportive–and clearly the intentions are GOOD–but the reality is that this bubble will pop. It will cause problems for the children when they leave the home. It complicates their lives, and it seems unnecessary. We, as parents, can instill these values–those of freedom to be who we want to be, regardless of societal restrictions on gender–without such…extremism. It’s all a bit sensational for me, and the result feels…toxic.

But then again, I’m no fucking psychologist. Hell, I let my children have lollipops with their dinner last night. In other words, don’t listen to me. Instead, share with me YOUR viewpoint. Is this too idealistic? Is it being blown out of proportion? Is it harmful to the child? Or is our reaction the harming agent?

And, seriously, what the hell is WRONG with having lollipops for dinner anyway?

Ahem.

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About Kristine

Kristine is proof that a degree in English isn't *always* such a great idea. She spends a lot of time on eBay, trying to find one of those plastic charm necklaces she had as a child in the 80s. She blogs at Wait in the Van.

  • Erin

    I’m pretty much on the same level of “Huh?” as you about the big issue, I’m also concerned to find out what is the Mom’s excuse for thinking that bright green sweatshirt matches the brown/rust colored flower skirt?? Gender lessons aside, that’s just poor fashion.

    I think time may show that bringing-up a ‘gender-less’ child is becoming a new THING? More than just giving your kids freedom to wear pink nail polish or borrow your brothers cool t-shirt. I’m looking at you, Shiloh.

  • Allison

    This seems bizarre to me. Like you said: well-intentioned, but with a kind of toxic undertone to it.

    But, on the bright side, as far as babies/toddlers are concerned, boys will be boys and girls will be girls, whether you call them boys or girls or not. I say, give it less than a year and the world will be able to tell, regardless. If baby is grunting, walking (running, tumbling, doing death-defying stunts) early and not too concerned with talking, and it’s banging cars (or blocks, or dolls’ heads) together, it’s a boy.

    If it’s talking in sentences by the time it’s 1 (or so), and cradling random household objects to its little chest while saying, “Awwww,” it’s a girl.

    I’m sure those stereotypes are exactly the kind the parents are trying to avoid, but I’ve worked with tons of babies and boys and girls are just innately different. You can call it – or not call it – what it is but it’s just how they are.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.blogspot.com Kristine

      *Exactly* There seems to be this push to deny or attack the very fact that there are differences between men and women. I think that’s not only incorrect, but asinine. Labels and restrictions are one thing…this seems to be veering off path a bit.

      • http://swanfeet.wordpress.com/ Caitlyn

        there really is. I went to a women’s college and a significant portion of my classmates insisted they believed there are NO differences at all between men and women. The problem was that they also believed that all men are jerks. I think the two are related – if we are all the same, but men are doing something that’s different and irritating, they must be doing it on purpose and are therefore jerks. If we’re different to begin with, odd behavior is much easier to put up with and even learn from.

        As for this family…I dunno. I don’t have a problem with kids being raised gender-neutral, but it is going to be hard on them and they do need their parents to advocate for them. Was homeschooling the only option for that kid? Wouldn’t it also have worked for the parents to pick up some boy clothes and suggest he wear them to school for a while, so that he’d have an easier time integrating? (It’s reminding me of my mom’s “smell like a sheep” speech – she’d carefully explain to me that most people are sort of sheep-like so they don’t like people who aren’t normal and it would be a good idea for me to act like other teens for the first while at school and then be myself once I had some friends. Or something. It actually did help.)

  • http://www.kirida.com kirida

    One part of me feels like, yes, they should be allowed to do whatever they want as parents if they feel like it’s in the best interest of their kids, but THIS? It infuriates me because they sound like they are the incredibly pretentious type of people who would say, “Um, this birthday present you bought? Yeah, we’re giving it back because it has licensed characters on it.” It sounds like they just wanted to stand out from the other pretentious parents at the co-op and figured out a way to be even bigger jerks.

    I think the bigger issue is their assuming that ANYONE CARES about their child. I don’t. I don’t care! Get off your huffy bike! And if I see you at the grocery store and ask if you have a boy or a girl and you give me a long spiel about gender roles and blah blah blah, I will roll my eyes.

  • Penne

    Some people obviously need more attention than others.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.blogspot.com Kristine

      Yeah, part of me is screaming HYPOCRITE! (And then googling how to SPELL hypocrite.) If they wanted this to be secretive, and they didn’t want to make a big fuss over it, WHY THE INTERVIEW.

    • http://jiveturkeyjives.com/ jive turkey

      HELLO. YES.

      They seem to be making an awfully big deal out of something they don’t want to make an awfully big deal out of.

      • http://www.kariannaspectrum.com Karianna

        BINGO! I think their intentions are true, but I agree that they are trying to make a much larger statement as a whole. It is all wrapped up in twists – because I get the base feel of it, but then there is that bigger “lecture” that defies the very freedom that their ideology is meant to preserve – and of course now everyone’s curiosity has made it into a circus rather than a quiet opportunity to just live as one wants to live.

  • JenGid

    Babies are born to parents for a reason. To guide them. They are not birthed and pushed out of the nest to go about finding their way on their own at such an early age. If at a more mature age they find themselves drawn more to feminine or masculine lives, then so be it. To try and make an ambiguous child is only going to cause their peers, teachers, and on lookers to gawk and question. Then they will be left trying to answer a question they had no real choice in making, how ironic.

  • Suzy Q

    I love the way they so blithely imply that all other parents are obnoxious for not raising children in this ridiculous way. I hope they are saving lots of money for future therapy bills for their kids.

    Also, as someone else said, who even gives a shit about their kids? Who would even know of this wackadoodle parenting “philosophy” without this unnnecessary announcement?

    That kid? It’s a boy. I hope he grows up to be an ultra-conservative oil executive.

  • http://www.lateenough.com Alex@LateEnough

    I don’t think it’s possible to teach our children to be all that they can be and teach gender norms.
    50 years ago women were kicked out of court for wearing pants. Just 5 years ago, whenever I stepped into a patient’s room without a white coat, I was automatically referred to as nurse.
    The first five year old girl to pick up a stethoscope and call herself doctor was probably made fun of as well. I’m a big fan of letting children like what they like.
    It’s painful to watch your culture and society push around your children. These parents are trying to protect their youngest child without giving into a culture that they fundamentally disagree with.
    I wouldnt chose to do that with my children but I completely understand why they’d try it.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.blogspot.com Kristine

      I agree with what you’re saying…I don’t think we should be teaching the norms, necessarily. I just still have trouble seeing how removing the gender altogether is necessary. Or, really, even beneficial.

      Plus, this is a baby. I mean, with you…you’re an adult and could easily navigate that kind of situation. With these young kids…I mean, do they even need to know that such a situation exists yet? And I’ll reiterate that I don’t think these are BAD parents. Clearly their intentions are good, and not ones I would disagree with or challenge in any way. But the fact that many of us see that viewpoint, and yet stop short of actually doing what they’re doing?

      I can’t yet decide if that supports the notion that this seems to be potentially damaging, or if it means the rest of us are…cowardly.

      In the end, I just wish we weren’t experimenting with children. And that sounds brutal, I’m sure, but that’s really what this is…right? I’m all for the changes she describes…but surely there’s a better way.

      • Anastasia

        I think we have better things to worry about.

        But to be honest, and seeing where this world is coming to, I’m neither shocked nor surprised.

      • http://jiveturkeyjives.com/ jive turkey

        I have the same reaction re: experimenting with children. Because that’s kind of what this is: using an infant to MAKE A POINT. At the expense of the infant, unfortunately.

        Also, why aren’t the parents physically presenting themselves in a gender-neutral manner?

      • Ann

        Seems pretty strange to me, but as a grade school teacher, I’ve seen a lot of strange things. The one thing, though, that pops out is it nearly always the boys parents do this with. It probably strikes many as unique to see Jazz with his hair in pigtails. In the last five years I’ve had four boys in third grade with pigtails at least as long as Jazz’ and one way, way longer.
        To make matters worse, several of the moms thought it cute to tie bows on the ends – although one more made a point of using blue bows – because blue was obviously for boys!
        This boys didn’t seem the least bit feminine and I can’t imagine that this was their choice, even though the moms made point of saying it was. And one boy I often saw at a nearby mall: at school he was dressed as a boy, but at the mall he was wearing a pettiskirt. And looking quite embarrassed about it all. Strange world we live in.

  • http://tamarisk.bearfootden.com Chelsea

    It’s expected that people will raise their children with their religious values, even when they aren’t of a “mainstream” belief, but we don’t freak out when kids are allowed to decide for themselves what they believe. This isn’t any more of a toxic decision on the part of the parents than it is for parents to allow kids to make their own spiritual decisions. Different, sure, but coming from the same place.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.blogspot.com Kristine

      I totally agree about your comparison to religion. I don’t disagree with the ideology of the parents. And I think you’re making me grasp the point that, sure, the kid can change his/her mind later when he/she wants to, so thanks for that! :)

      My struggle remains, though, in thinking that kids in church aren’t spread across the media and criticized by punks like me. I hate to say it, and I’m sure this isn’t the intention…but it *feels* a little like exploitation. Like they have to go that one step further (in removing the gender) than every other parent trying to accomplish something similar with their kids.

      It could also simply be a case of me freaking out about something that’s different, though.

      • Gigi

        It shouldn’t *feel* like exploitation. It *is* exploitation. And for all their “good intentions” they are absolutely ensuring that their children will be targets of the most cruel and hideous bullying and isolation. This isn’t about finding out about who are are. This is outrageous.

        That child Jazz, at the tender age of 5, is already confronting what is to become a childhood (at least) of confusion, isolation, fear…. the list goes on. If his parents are so in-your-face about what they want their children not to be, how is one small boy going to decide what he really wants in the face of such tyranny. Can anyone actually imagine that he would stand up to his mother to say that he would like to cut his hair or change his clothes, after all that has been instilled in him from infancy?

        These “parents” seem to enjoy being in the spotlight, but has anyone considered that they are both taking part in “assigned” gender roles by living together as a man and women and raising children? They are not only exploiting this “norm” but are also taking advantage of all the benefits by raising not one, but several children in a household where their respective gender roles are defined but their children’s are not.

        I refuse to call this open minded. I am appalled that this man and woman so openly expose their “experimentation” (so aptly put) to the public. Talk about child abuse.

        Have they ever stopped to think that their children do not “belong” to them… that they are human beings who deserve not to be tampered with?

  • babs

    Look, even if this child defies gender norms, she/he has organs that are specifically male or female. And if this child is transgendered, then Storm will have heavy decisions to make regarding how to go forward in life.

    Personally, I’m for kids exploring their world regardless of gender-roles. I don’t care that my daughter’s male friend wanted to be the mommy when they played house, or that my daughter wants to grow up to be a boxer (Okay, that I’m not happy about, but not for reasons of gender.) However, to the extent of making them society’s little freak-show, that’s stupid. YOU walk around genderless, don’t make your kid do it.

  • http://www.ygtbkm.blogspot.com Mandy’s Kidding

    My first response would be to say, hey, it’s none of our business. To each his own. But they’re offering themselves up for these interviews and public consumption, so that makes me say, “Huh.”

    *Shrugs*

    Maybe it’s the publicity part of this that I find so odd.

  • http://www.ygtbkm.blogspot.com Mandy’s Kidding

    His OR HER own. Or whatever. Ha!

  • Dawn K.

    We decided not to find out the gender of our baby before her birth, mostly for the excitement, but also because I did not want the barrage of pink or blue to begin before birth. We got many, gender neutral gifts that we cherish and worked perfectly well for their purpose, regardless of color.

    We also intend to fill our house with toys of all types to encourage Ella to pick whatever she wants for her playthings. I’m not trying to swear her off from pink, frilly stuff, but we want it to be something she picks because it’s her choosing, not what society dictates. If she has a train and wand to choose from, and she picks the princess wand (non-licensed preferably), then I’ll be happy knowing I’ve given her what she needs and wants, while forcing gender stereotypes.

    While I applaud the goal of these parents(gender stereotyping, marketing to children, etc. are all topics I feel very strongly about as well), I would say this is akin to not talking about race. At all. I thoguht the essay in Nurtureshock by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman was quite eye-opening. In short, it presumes that we may do more harm than good by trying to pretend the issue isn’t there, rather than talking openly and honestly about our unique differences, and how it doesn’t define who a person is, what they can achieve, or the respect they deserve. I would imagine that train of thought could carry over to gender identity as well.

    (And yes, please everyone feel free to laugh at me in 3 years when all Ella will leave the house in is a Cinderella dress. Hopefully it will be because she has to look her best while being an astronaut or train conductor.)

    • Dawn K.

      while *not* forcing gender stereotypes…

      It’s the end of the day, and apparently my brain is mush.

      • KimAZ

        Interesting philosophy.

    • Keri

      This. This sums it up perfectly for me. My job as parent is to support my children while they navigate this crazy world, respect their choices, hopefully expose them to ideas they wouldn’t necessarily be exposed to, and cheer while they venture out. I’m hoping that I am building a relatonship with my six-year-old son based on mutual respect – where he can experiment with values, ideas, and roles and still value my opinion, whether he’s 6 or 60.

  • http://www.missmooseart.com Lis

    This really rubbed me the wrong way, but not quite for the same reason in the comments… you nailed it on the head in the original post though. The parents suggest that they want the kids to indicate publicly what they’re comfortable with, that they won’t do it themselves.. They say that the oldest child wanted to be labelled “boy” for a program application, which would suggest to me that the boy does indeed want to be called a boy. And yet after that incident, if somebody calls him a girl and he doesn’t pipe up, the parents make it his responsibility to say anything rather than stand up for his own decision. For all of their sakes, I hope that it was an isolated incident and the child is just not sure yet. Otherwise, yeah, that’s a lot of responsibility to put on a 5 year old pair of shoulders.

    You know what? I was brought up definitely a girl but was never forced into gender stereotypes. My tomboy mother let me shop in the boys’ department if I saw a clothing item I wanted, or the boys toy section, or the boys happy meal toy… Sometimes I wanted it, sometimes I wanted the girl one. As an adult I have a lot of typical female interests and traits…. and a lot of male interests and traits. I realise that some people have to go through the difficult waters of having their gender not match their sex, but seriously- do you have to force that burden on a child from birth?

    • Keri

      That’s funny that you bring up the Happy Meal toy. My six-year-old son and I do McDonalds every Wednesday (a special tradition for us) and last Wednesday he clearly wanted the “girl” toy. I told him that was fine but I needed to go let the counter person know so she could switch it, and he seemed to get embarrassed and changed his mind. I tried to emphasize that it wasn’t a “girl” toy or a “boy” toy, but I think he heard her say, “For a boy?” when I was ordering and was embarrassed to change it. Not necessarily on topic, but it is interesting how “gendered” a society we are.

      • http://www.missmooseart.com Lis

        I do, sadly, think it is generally more acceptable for a girl to want a “boy” thing than for a boy to want a “girl” thing. It really shouldn’t be.

  • Jenniphyr

    I do not think that that word means what you think it means. Gender =/= sex. The parents are not sharing their child’s SEX with the world, so that ze can made up hir own mind about which activities ze wants to engage in, what clothes ze wants to wear, etc., instead of having them dictated by society. The child is, therefore, creating hir own gender, rather than just slipping into whatever mould society would have hir fill.

    Personally, I think that what they’re doing is totally fine. There was actually a couple in Sweden who did this years ago (http://www.femagination.com/1365/genderless-childrearing/), so it’s not a new concept.

    • KimAZ

      “ze” and “hir” are cracking me up.

  • rebecca hopkins

    I get it, but it feels like an icky publicity stunt. Frankly, I lean towards talking about it with my girls…letting them lead me, but reinforcing their decisions. And despite their identical upbringing, I have one who worships Selena Gomez and wears pink Every. Day. and one who prefers blocks and cars and wears anything she can run/jump/climb in. I don’t deny there are differences between the genders, but, frankly, a penis or vagina does not a gender make.

    I hereby join the “Huh?” camp.

  • http://www.missmooseart.com Lis

    Upon thinking about this more, I realised another part of the weird vibe that I dislike from this. How would the parents react if little Storm ends up being 1) a very “manly man” who lives sports and beer, NASCAR and steak who gets a job as say, a carpenter or electrician (or accountant?) OR 2) a very feminine lady who prefers high heels, frilly dresses, thinks snakes are terrifying and doesn’t know how to use a power tool and gets a job as a receptionist ? (Trying to find the most stereotypical, gender conforming things I could) I have a strong feeling that they’re hoping this will produce children with a strong mix of male and female traits (or worse, more traits of “the other gender”)

    • http://www.kariannaspectrum.com Karianna

      Exactly! True gender freedom means FREEDOM, even if it looks like conformation.

  • Jill

    I’ll tell you what’s wrong with lollipops for dinner – there is no nutrition in them. Now, cake is okay – it has dairy, eggs, wheat. The rule is, dinner has to have at least one thing that can be justified as remotely good for them.

  • http://issascrazyworld.com Issa

    I…I think they are nuts. That’s just me. Also everyone keeps calling it the genderless baby. Except hi, the kid does have parts.

    Looks like a boy to me. Not that I really care what a couple of crazies do…but they are setting that kid up for a lot of therapy later. Can you imagine? Why only me mom? Why am I the one you decided to pin your agenda on and not your two other children? Yep. Therapy.

    Because in reality, the parents have a major agenda behind this. It’s obvious by the fact that we’ve all heard about it. They are, in effect, doing the same thing that they are claiming they don’t want done to their children, just in reverse.

  • Melissa

    I’m just confused. Most creatures on earth are male or female, anatomically. “Hiding” this fact doesn’t make sense to me.

    I have two daughters and a son. They have once or twice noticed the “differences” between them. I have told them, DS has boy privates and DD1 and DD2 have girl privates. They’re perfectly fine with this explanation and those differences don’t translate to anything further.

    I think the parents would be making a much stronger statement by telling people the baby’s sex and allowing them to grow up to be whoever they want. I find honesty and being upfront to be a much better way to parent or lead by example.

    I do the same thing with race (and I see the similarities as some of the previous posters point out). I’m white, my neighbor’s black. Its easy and logical to make that classification. Its what that means that’s the bigger deal. In our house it doesn’t mean more than my skin is lighter than hers.

  • http://thekiddiecocktail.typepad.com/the-kiddie-cocktail/ Roberta

    I admire this couple’s idealistic optimism about this, I suppose. But I wanted to pick up on something mentioned by an earlier poster: sex vs. gender. Sex is what we are biologically – male or female, defined by our chromosomes. Gender is an identity that may or may not be tied to what sex we are. For better or worse, there are gender stereotypes in society that ARE tied to what sex humans are. I think I’m left wondering what these parents hope to accomplish by not telling anyone the sex/gender/what-have-you of their child (seemingly including the child itself??). I’m ALL FOR busting gender stereotypes, believe me. I was dismayed by the avalanche of pink things I got when I had a girl baby, and by the fact that some essential baby items really do STILL only come in pink or blue. If anything, I’ve probably erred on the side of not giving my daughter enough babydolls, because I was busy buying her trains (I never liked dolls much as a kid, despite my mother’s wishes, and I kind of…forget about them). What I’ve got is a kid who (at the moment) loves her doll stroller as much as her toy airplanes, who refuses to wear dresses, but displays strong preference for pink clothing, pirates, and astronauts. Yes, there are sex/gender stereotypes. Yes, many of them are limiting and destructive. But again, what does this accomplish? Are they going to tell the child itself at some point that it’s a boy or a girl or male or female? They can still let the kid choose, like they have done with their older kids. Plenty of transgendered people did want to be called “she” instead of “he” (or vice versa) from a very early age, again proving that sex does not equal gender. I agree with the commenters above that this does uncomfortably smack of using your own child as a public science experiment. It’s that part that bothers me more than anything, I think.

  • Tanya

    I say they are really capitalist at heart. I mean come on….who doesn’t see a book deal coming out of this? And then the kids cash in later as adults because mommy and daddy screwed me up. Good all around. No one ever works again!

  • Contemplative

    I saw this story for the first time tonight. The first time I saw it, my knee-jerk reaction was WTF??? Why are they trying to raise their child without a gender?

    But then I thought about it some more.

    I think, for now, they are trying to raise their child without the gender *expectations* of society. They don’t want members of society to respond to their child only becuase they perceive the child as male or female. They want the interactions with others to not be biased by the perceived gender of their child.

    I am happy to hear that they are, in fact, acknowledging that their child has a gender.

    What I think may have been more useful would for them to have said they are not disclosing the child’s gender because they want to eliminate gender bias/ expectations rather than they are trying to raise a child without gender.

    Even those who are born with Disorder of Sexual developement (formerly known as Intersex) are given a gender. There is no such thing as “no gender” and the Intersex Society of North America believes children should be raised as either male or female (see reference here: http://www.isna.org/faq/gender_assignment).

    I think it is great that they want to expand the typical notions of what it means to be male or female in their children and to have them grow to believe that there is more than pink or blue which defines us.

    Whether the parents want to reveal the gender of their youngest child is pretty much irrelevant. Gender identity is usually firmly established by the time a child is two. However, how that person expresses their gender is fluid.

    The ruckus this is causing is curious. Some people are outraged, seemingly thinking that their child will never have a gender identity, overlooking our biology and confusing gender identity and gender expression. On the other hand, in a round about way, I applaud the couple for getting people discussing this topic.

    It would have been more beneficial if the parents had been clearer in stating what they were trying to avoid (gender expectations/ categorizations) and that their child was indeed being raised with a gender, just not with the constraints of the expression of that gender.

    Just my $0.02.

  • Contemplative

    As an addendum, Dr. Drew made a commment about how, if the kid was a boy, he would be enraged by his name.

    I guess the famous meteorologist, Dr. Frank Field, who named his son, also another famous meteorologist, STORM Field, must also be enraged.

  • http://www.mommyshorts.com Ilana

    I had a college boyfriend who told me he would love to have kids so he could raise them in his basement and teach them the wrong words for everything and then send them out into the world to see what happens. Yes, I dated real winners. He said it to be cool and controversial. But clearly it was a statement all about himself and having nothing to do with actual children.

    Although in theory I agree with the above couple’s intentions, this seems entirely about their own agenda and not in the best interest of their kids. Case in point: the many pictures they seem to be supplying and their willingness to talk about their decision with the press. This isn’t even a private experiment, or one within their own hometown— they have made it a very public one. That doesn’t seem right.

    If these kids grow up to be people proud of their parents’ decisions in upbringing them— that’s great. But I think that’s highly unlikely.

  • http://theglitterfrog.com vickilikesfrogs

    I think someone should point out to this lady that she herself played into society’s idea of “normal” by marrying a man and having kids in the first place. HA! Talk yourself out of THAT one, you weirdo hippy bitch! Also, it looks like that very cute gender-neutral kid in the last picture has an extra, very abnormally large arm. Jus sayin.

  • http://wth-am-i-doing-24-7.blogspot.com/ WTH am I Doing

    I agree with this concept. The stereotyping. I am currently pregnant & mother to a son (5) & stepdaughter (6). I get frustrated that my stepdaughter is allowed to be reckless, jump off things, and like dinosaurs & this ok…but if my son is cautious, ever cries, or likes purple? That’s a problem. If it’s ok for her to like “boy” stuff, then it is equally ok for him to like “girl” stuff.

    I am not a very girly girl. I don’t really like pink much and I hate (really, really hate) when people try to limit or box me in to something because I’m female. I don’t see myself as “less” because I’m female. There are people who do.

    What I don’t understand is the denial in dealing with stereotypes. Why not teach the kids that these biases DO exist but they do not have to conform to them. That these are silly rules that people just accept without thinking and that there’s really no practical reason for these “rules” to exist. Teach the kids to follow their interests *without regard* for what others think about it.

    The key here is to *teach* the kids. Explain to them about stereotypes. Explain to them that people have expectations they don’t think through. A parent’s job is to keep their kid alive and to teach them how to be a successful/functional adult. The kids need to actually *understand* what’s out there – whether it differs from their parent’s viewpoint or not – so they are prepared to deal with it and make educated decisions.

    This just really feels like they’re letting the kids “figure it out” themselves without any real preparation or guidance. And dammit, if the boy is really into “stereotypical” boy things? SUPPORT HIM. I have a huge fear that I’m preggo with a girl and I’ll get the avalanche of ugly pink crap that will turn my life into a sea of pepto bismol. I’m not sure what I’d do with a frilly girly girl…but if that’s what she loves? Then I will support her…even if I don’t dig it myself.

    These kids seem to have a lot of “freedom” but also seem to be woefully lacking in “understanding of reality” and support from their parents.

  • LisaUnfiltered

    This is so delicate. Like, really really delicate.

    I’m on the fence about this. While I understand and applaud that they are trying to teach that people are not their gender (that it’s about the person, not their anatomy) (I know many gender-benders and trans people, so I *get* it), I also see some error in their method.

    There’s nothing wrong with being a cis-gendered person. (A person who identifies as the gender they were born with.) There’s nothing wrong with identifying as non-gendered, or as trans-gendered either. I feel like what these people are doing is almost forcing them to identify as non-gendered. They’re almost taking the choice away from them to identify as male (or possibly female?).

    I see how they’re making an environment for their children to be able to be themselves, no matter WHO they are; they’re also making it harder for them to be cis-gendered or even heteronormative in their own world AND also making it harder for them to function outside their tiny universe.

  • http://pepita-writes.blogspot.com/ Pepita (formerly LolaGranola_

    First, I have to reiterate the point some other posters have made, because this is driving me *nuts*: SEX DOES NOT EQUAL GENDER! Sex = boy or girl bits (anatomy), Gender = socially constructed roles/expectations, etc. that we, within a given society/culture, are supposed to inhabit based on our sex. Of course little Storm is not SEXLESS, but his/her gender is ambiguous precisely because we, the outside world, don’t know which gender role to expect Storm to conform to.

    Judith Butler’s Gender Trouble is a useful read on this topic.

    Ahem. Stepping off my soapbox.

    Now, as to the question raised by some commenters on the apparent double standard of boys not being “allowed” by society (individual parents’ behavior aside) to like girly things, but girls being allowed to like boyish things–it comes down to what is valued within a society. In the US, for example, masculine traits signal power and therefore are admired, valued, and desired. Feminine ones don’t and therefore aren’t. (E.g. “throwing like a girl” is an insult, we tell someone who’s being emotional/cowardly to “sac up.”) As a result, the larger society has a difficult time comprehending why one would want to “give up” a privileged position and inhabit a less powerful one (a boy liking purple, or wearing a skirt, for example). The result is a reaction of disbelief, curiosity, or scorn.

    Also, these parents? WTF? I agree with the previous posters who said the parents are being exploitative and hypocritical. They should move elsewhere, divest themselves of any gender markers, and negotiate the world as genderless if they want to try to reconstruct preconceived notions of gender. Don’t put that responsibility on a baby.

  • Chanda

    I have a daughter that is now 12 years old. We knew her sex before she was born. We were gifted with all the usual pink & frilly baby items. When she was 1 she took all her clothes out of her dresser and told me to sell them. She very sternly told me she was a boy and couldn’t wear “those” clothes. I have to admit I was quite shocked, but with the amount of certainty in her words; I packed up the clothes and took her shopping for “boy” clothes. She refused to play with her “girl” toys as well. To this day she shops in the boy section for clothes, shoes, games, etc. She has worked hard to become an awesome drummer. However, around age 8 she no longer claims to be a boy. She is very much a girl. In all of our discussions she’s made it quite clear she is not confused about her sex or sexuality. She is a girl and she likes boys ( as much as any 12 year old does anyway. Obviously, we are not to the age of boyfriends ) Our situation could have went several different ways. I never said differently when she told everyone she was a boy. I would support my baby no matter what decision she made. I was quick to silence family members or others that dared question her, or judge.her, including one very ignorant elementary school teacher.

    With all that said, I think I can admire wanting to let your child decide for themselves. But doing it in such a public forum seems cruel to the child. We as a society are judgmental. This will bring so much attention to those particular children that no matter what they decide, they will face some sort of ridicule from someone. I hope they are at least socializing the children enough that they (the kids) can form more opinions for themselves. Not socializing them would mean they fall directly under the parents desires. Rather than the freedom the parents seek, they may do more harm. Children that age do not understand the magnitude and potential consequences of the choices their parents have given them. If I hadn’t spoken up for my child, she would have been hurt more than once by others ignorance. These parents leaving the speaking up to the children could be a poor choice.

    Just my thoughts, I’m not judging. And I’m sure these parents know not everyone will agree with their ideals.

    • http://pepita-writes.blogspot.com/ Pepita

      Your daughter is one lucky person to have such an awesome, supportive mama!

      • Chanda

        Thanks! I’m the lucky one. She’s an amazing kid.

  • Wolf

    Those two should have their kids taken from them for naming them Storm, Jazz and Kio. Hippies.

  • http://www.astrofaces.com Researcher

    Well, whatever the gender, the child’s astrological birth chart is a pretty good one. Sun, Mars & Pluto on the Moon’s North Node in Capricorn indicates strong tendencies toward heavy handed but well-received social leadership ( think Winston Churchill…). Jupiter together with Uranus in Pisces indicates good insight into the collective emotional character while Neptune in Aquarius trine Saturn in Libra indicates a good realistic handle on collective ideals.

  • Sheila

    Seems to me peoples reaction to this topic is more of a reflection on themselves than anything else. Why should I care how this family decides to raise their children anyway? I have a friend who did exactly what these parents are doing, except her children were born about 25 and 18 years ago. As far as I can tell it made no difference to the kids but confused the hell out of the general public. Both of these children I knew were just delightful youngsters when they were little and no worse for wear as adults. I raised 5 children of my own and if I were beginning all over again I might be tempted to force people to interact with my babies as individuals rather than pigeonhole them into predetermined gender roles. Let kids be kids without deciding for them how they have to act as a boy or a girl. Those roles are much to confining for children.

  • way2kay

    1st, & i gotta get this off my chest, but what kind of eef’d up parents have a child & turn “him” (i say him cuz he just looks like a boy) into a science project…i just love my kids too much to do that to them…maybe child protective services should be brought in…i agree that trying to raise a child without the “burden” of gender roles may be a good concept, but to do it with your children that are so young does not seem to be the right application to me…

    i’ve noticed that almost every photo i’ve seen of the 5 yr old jazz, he looks so much like a girl (mom, i get ur boy wanting to have long hair, but when u braid his hair in pigtails, that seems like ur forcing a specific value on to him)…i wonder if maybe this is not so much about giving this child a choice as it is about making a spectical of him, because “my 5 yr old son wants to look like a girl & i love him & that’s perfectly acceptable either way”…& like u pointed out, for a five year old, is he really deciding he wants to wear pink & pigtails on tuesday, or is it parents with some idealogic point they want to make publically? maybe they just wanted a daughter somewhere in the 2 or 3 boy mix…or maybe jazz is just effiminate or maybe he is gay (not that i think a child as young as 5 could make a decision about sexuality that young…but i’m not a professional, so what do i really kno)…

    i’ll be honest, as a parent, i’m kinda pissed at these two…these children need guidance, that’s why they’re “given” to us, to raise…is this not bad parenting experimenting on their own kids. especially because they are so young? my son had a “doll” he dragged around for two years…he wore a couple of gender unspecific tee-shirts of his big sister’s that he loved wearing…my daughter played with tonka trucks & digged up worms in the dirt…but the knew who they were, & now that they’re older, they still know who they are & they know what they like & don’t like regarding traditional gender associations…but they are young adults, not toddlers…i RAISED my children to be who they wanted to be, & i am very proud of them both…they are reat people, & everyone knew that they were a girl & a boy respectively…ur children can definately grow up to be wonderful, free thinking, productive members of society without making them a part of your own personal agenda…& this baby is going to have more problems than “his” brothers, bcause a.) he’s been thrust into the publiuc eye, & b.) he is going to become an “internet star” until “his” sexual identity has been announced…

    ok…so sorry to take over ur blog, but i feel pretty strong about this, i hope this child decides who he wants to be at a very young age, & that “his” gender is not something that should stand in his way…i hope that “his” parents decide that his gender doesn’t need to be hidden from everyone (“his” grandparents too!!! what the???) just to prove that “his” gender doesn’t make “him” who he is or isn’t…

    • K

      At least these children might grow up with open minds. And also the ability to spell and construct sentences.

  • Stef

    I predict deep-seated anger issues in teenaged Jazz and Storm, and that mom and dad can expect very infrequent visits from adult Jazz and Storm.

  • jeanie

    I think THESE parents are making more of an issue over gender than the parents who don’t try to raise their kids “gender neutral”

  • anomonys

    I’m not sure, but actually, got a point about fashion, i’m sorry, i never liked being forced to wear or not wear certain things as a little kid, but i think it was good i was, since now i don’t wear things that look bad and don’t match and wear things that look nice and make me more likely not to be an outcast. Of course, no one should have to put up with the labels and messages either, so i don’t know. Of course we should all try to be unique and be ourselves, but life gets hard too if you dont at least stay within soem of the restrictions of society.

  • Nymerias

    Maybe I’m just super cynical, but does anyone else think they’re trying to get a reality TV show out of this?

  • Andy

    Way too many overly conservative redneck busybodies in this article. GIRLS SHOULD BE GIRLS, AH MAH GAWD, THEY SHOULD PLAY WITH DOLLS AND DRESS IN PINK! Go home.

  • http://yenreb.tumblr.com/ a bike with no handlebars

    Sheila, it’s good to hear that someone else has performed this “experiment” (to borrow an earlier poster’s term) without the public spotlight and the children ended up fine. I do share some concern that the public spotlight on these children will influence them for the worse, but I take solace in the fact that, as a society, we have a terribly short attention span. I can’t imagine anyone will still be worrying about Storm and “hir” (to borrow an earlier poster’s pronoun) older brothers one year from now, except their family, close friends, neighbors, and school officials.

    It’s just a shame that English doesn’t have proper gender-neutral pronouns for the third person singular.

  • http://knittinginterrupted.com CTJen

    Did you really make the argument that a loving, nurturing, and supportive home is bad for children because that’s not the way the world is? Wow.

  • K

    Well, reading through these responses was upsetting. Glad to see that different still means terrifying and offensive.

  • danielle

    If the parents are so gender neutral driven why don’t they both dress like “Pat” from SNL?

    There is nothing wrong with being different. How many serial killers parents messed with there kids head like this?

  • Cienna

    wow, you people really overact at the most pointless issues. seriously, you people that are infuriated and freaking out about this (including the author) are stupid and I mean that in the ignorant sense of stupid in that you could be less stupid, but you choose not to. you all just want to feel like you’re better by comparison. just so you all know, even if you are better in one situation, you’re doomed to be worse in another. you people disappoint me to no end. i pity you.

  • DevlinSky

    Ok..this story gives me so many things to say. First off, I can appreciate that they want their child to grow up how he/she wishes to. And giving the child a choice of what they want. But also, they should realize that labeling the child now probably won’t make much a difference. Or they may find that the child will reach an age that they want to express themselves as the sex that they are and conform to a stereotypical gender role and appreciate things that “go along with it”. I really wonder if they’ll care that the child will still have potential to be a stereotypical male or female.
    Also, I grew up wearing boxers, boyish scooby-doo shirts with aliens on them, had a bug themed birthday party, played with action-figures, hot-wheels, wore sunglasses with I guess what you would call a masculine shape, would sometimes have a short hair cut, played soccer, enjoyed playing rough with toys. But I also played with barbies, wore dresses, liked to garden, enjoyed having my hair braided, thought things were cute, played house. And I did those things because I wanted to. From what I can tell/recall I was raised gender-neutral, or at least with the option of picking out things that I wanted, whatever color or gender it might stereotypically fit. I’m 17 and I love both men and women’s fashion(though am insecure or slightly embarrassed to try certain styles no matter how much I love it), like watching action and horror movies or girly chick flicks, nearly all my friends are guys but I’m straight and have had boyfriends. I have got more girly over the year for sure, but I still appreciate “boyish” things. And if I’m shopping or something and someone offers me something girly or really boyish I can turn it down or if I like it, consider it. It’s about what I want. It’s part of my identity, it’s something within you, it isn’t always influenced by what’s around you. And I still call myself a girl, as does everyone else. Even if my guy friend says, “You’re like one of the guys”. I take no offense to it, I laugh at “sexist” jokes, I have a crude sense of humor and I enjoy my ability to be comfortable with these things and see that everyone else is, too. My parents are more than happy and so it seems, are the people I encounter in life. My point is that, with myself as an example, a kid can be raised in any way, they’re most probably going to figure out for themselves what they want and like without the parents trying so hard to make the kid what they want them to be. These parents are trying to create an ideal person and upbringing to suggest to the world and make a statement that it shouldn’t matter how someone dresses or whatever. I get that, but as I said before, It’s about what they want. It’s part of their identity, it’s something within you, it isn’t always influenced by what’s around you. I think it’s something these parents seriously need to grasp and need to stop trying as hard as they are. Make up a new “plan”. Cause as much as it seems they’re trying not to have one, they most certainly do. I know I didn’t have one, and I’m happy with myself. What a parent should be focused on is if their kid is happy and healthy, making the right choices(i.e. not getting into serious trouble and the like), maintaining decent grades(and not totally freaking if the grade sucks). Being authoritative is one thing, being permissive, another.

    • DevlinSky

      - which should more be like, giving an ultimatum to the kid but leaving it up to them. (i.e. at some point the kid wants a tattoo but the parent offers reasons why it’s not the best idea and leaves it up to them to decide).

  • Joe Somebody

    I think that what these parents are doing might be wrong. They’re confusing the kids, at such a young age something should be instilled in them as like something to compare what they’re choices would be later in life. I mean don’t we usually figure out who we want to be in our late teens and our twenties? This is a big thing to put on the shoulders of babies. I have a feeling these kids may have some trouble fitting in at school. The parents may think they’re helping they’re kids but in the end I think they may do more harm.

  • Anonymous

    I’m late to the party but find this so intriguing.  I’ll accept at face value that these parents are trying to help their child develop a fully rounded personality.  But it’s troubling to think these parents are trying to rear a child at odds with “a culture that they fundamentally disagree with.”  It does seem like a life of loneliness unless the parents and their friends can buy an island and create their own communal utopia.  I mean, humans are social animals, too.  If you squelch that part of the personality for the sake of finding their feminine/masculine side, you’re still stunting the kid’s development.  Wouldn’t it be more helpful to try to effect change in the culture – organize with other parents, volunteer at schools, run for office?  Maybe that would set a more constructive example for how to be a citizen who lives their values rather than dressing as Pat for the rest of your life and diverting the conversation from the culture to yourself.
    Separately, I do think these ‘undercover’ experiments are fascinating – the fat suit, etc.  I had hair of every shade in my early 20′s and noticed that I got many more drinks bought for me going out as a blonde, and many more attempts at conversation as a brunette.  Just that small change in appearance changed how people treated me, and really opened my eyes to how circular it all is.